Who knows what jesus said ,the gospels were written by unknown authors decades after the so called events, its been copied and translated and probably changed depending upon the copist and their belief systems.
Touchofgrey
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Not only the ORG who perverts Scriptures!
by BoogerMan injohn 14:6 - "jesus said to him, “i am the way, the truth, and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.".
certain christian denominations lie & contradict jesus' crystal clear statement, by promoting the following dogma:.
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Yesterday's Public Talk: '' Reject Worldly Fantasies, Pursue Kingdom Realities''
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy brother ( an elder ) calls me every time he's assigned a public talk.
he believes listening to zoom meetings is a great start, to eventually attending in-person meetings.
the talk is titled : '' reject worldly fantasies, pursue kingdom realities.
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Touchofgrey
Its manipulation and coercive control over the people in attendance, that worldly people are bad associations and any information that is not approved by the org should be avoided, because they know that jws will then question what they have been told. And discover that they have been lied too .
All religions gaslight there believers that they are the only true religion and they should believe the fantasies that they promotes as true. They don't want them to do independent research into the bible and find out that the bible is the uninspired word of man.
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Did you consider Paul as false prophet?
by PeterNobody indear brothers!
you as a bible researchers, refused the catholicism, but still use the books which catholic church defined as the source of truth.
did you consider paul as a false prophet?
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Touchofgrey
Since Paul's letters preceded the four anonymous gospels by a few decades, it is thought that he started the Christian cult .
Professor James Tabor a biblical scholar of Judaism and early christianity has written books and YouTube lectures about Paul's involvement in the movement. Well worth a consideration.
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Crisis of Conscience
by Freeatlast2024 inthis is my first time posting to this forum.
let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.
i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.
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Touchofgrey
Welcome to the forum
Jwfacts.com is a good place to visit for information about the history and changes over the years. Also the search history on the forum helped me when I left the jws.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Touchofgrey
Paul's letters were written decades before the anonymous gospels were written.
Why did nobody tell the gospel author of the update?
So did that mean that jesus wasn't aware of the future update?
Still waiting for the independent and verified evidence that there was a miracle worker called jesus?
I'm just being sarcastic now ,fed up with the circular reasoning, that the bible proves the bible.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Touchofgrey
A young rich man asked jesus what must I do to get everlasting life, jesus said to keep the commandments and sell his riches and give to the poor, off he went ,
That now middle aged rich man meets Paul and asks him the same question but now is told that he must have faith in the blood of jesus to have everlasting life.
Is jesus right and Paul's wrong or is Paul right and jesus wrong or are they both wrong or right?
Religion's today each have their own interpretation of the bible and so believe slightly different things, so are all right or all wrong?
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Touchofgrey
I asked for independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus even existed .
Paul claims that jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus so if there is no evidence that he was a real person who performed miracles etc ,and that fact that the four anonymous gospels were written after the writings of Paul. Who or what did Paul base his writing on?
Its a discussion forum I was just joining the discussion.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Touchofgrey
In one of his YouTube videos he said that there are about half a million errors some of which are insignificant and others where whole verses are changed..
But let's accept your statement, bart has used these documents to disprove the jesus story from beginning to end, virgin birth right through to the fake trial and the crucifixion account and burial and empty tomb story.
Bart also confirms that the four gospels were written decades after the so called events by unknown authors and that Paul's letters were written before the four gospels accounts.
You have yet to provide any independently verified evidence that the jesus story is true.
Regarding there being many copies of the books of the bible ,bart has said that this is because scribes were paid for this work it was their job.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Touchofgrey
And yet bart Ehrman doesn't believe that jesus was anything more than just a man because of his extensive studies of these fragments and it led him to stop believing that the bible is the word of god and he stopped being a fundamental Christian.
Many of his lectures are available on YouTube would highly recommend you watch them.
Professor James tabor another biblical scholar also has very interesting videos on YouTube about the new testament.
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Q about Jesus' sacrifice
by oncebitten ini have several jw family members.
i have been shunned many years now.
i was not baptized, but i was indoctrinated as a child.
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Touchofgrey
There is no original copy of any New Testament document.
I'm aware of that ,so my question is as Christians how can you with any certainty believe that anything anyone said or did in the bible actually happened?
That thing's may have been deliberately embellished or been lost in translation or included to fit the beliefs of the individuals making the copies?
For me facts are more important than faith since l stopped being a jw.